At work, we’re looking to replace a lab with new computers. These days, that leaves us plenty of options. Normal PC or thin client? Each of those choices has a lot of variants as well. One of the thin client options we’re looking into is the HP MultiSeat T100 Thin Client solution. HP’s MultiSeat is a pretty interesting setup and falls somewhere between the traditional desktop and thin client solutions.
The HP MultiSeat works in a hybrid model by having 1 workstation for every (up to) 10 seats (monitor, keyboard/mouse, and thin client). The OS license is what restricts you to 10 seats but the hardware capabilities need to be taken into consideration as well. You could implement HP MultiSeat with a lower-end workstation if you only needed 2-4 seats. As for us, we’re hoping to have 5 additional seats driven per workstation, so we’re going with the HP MultiSeat ms6000.
We received one workstation, six monitors, five thin clients, and six sets of keyboard/mice.
As for the rest of the seats, they are all driven by this USB-powered device, the HP MultiSeat t100 Thin Client. It starts off in a small box like this:
and opens up to reveal a 10′ USB cable, a monitor mounting bracket, a security bracket, the client access license for Windows MultiPoint Server 2010, and a useless Quick Start guide that contains no words at all.
The device, which is about 4.5″ x 3″ has a USB B input that plugs into the workstation and outputs to a VGA monitor, P/S2 keyboard and mouse, and includes headphone and microphone jacks per client. A blue LED lights up next to the headphone jack when it’s plugged into a powered on workstation.
The package came with the LE1851W monitor, a standard 18.5″ VGA-input widescreen monitor. There’s nothing special about the monitor to make it work with the thin client, the same model is used on the workstation as the client and could be used anywhere else in your organization that has VGA display. You can see it above pictured with the workstation. Using the included mounting bracket, the thin client makes for a very small package.
When the thin client is connected to the workstation, it will automatically be installed as new hardware and in a matter of seconds will be up and ready for somebody to log into the workstation. In Device Manager, you’ll see this added: USB Display Adapters -> HP t100 Thin Client..
The hardware all seems very solid, energy-saving, and finished with rounded edges inside the case and parts that pivot out of your way to access other components but I’m a fan of HP, so let’s move onto the operating system.
MultiPoint Server 2010
Windows MultiPoint Server 2010 is pretty much an odd-duck of an OS. I wouldn’t be surprised if you haven’t heard of it before. It’s basically a fork from the Windows Server 2008 R2 operating system. There are two problems we encountered with using MultiPoint Server 2010 with the first being that it is a 64-bit OS. This isn’t a philosophical problem, I’d love if we could move all of our computers from the aging Windows XP to 64-bit Windows 7 but unfortunately we have two core applications used throughout the organization that are (really) slow to be updated to be compatible with Vista, 7, Server 2008, and their 64-bit counterparts. I’m testing out VMWare’s ThinApp as a possible workaround to this. So far, one application works thinapped while the other still does not. I’m hoping to try another capture when I get into work today.
The second odd problem that we ran into is that MultiPoint Server 2010 cannot be joined to a domain. Wait… what? Yeah… just simply cannot be joined to a domain. Goodbye active directory and group policies. There’s really no explanation as to why this is the case. If you click the ‘More information’ link in the domain join screen (pictured below) it just provides generic help information about how to join a workgroup.
In order to join a domain, you cannot use Windows MultiPoint Server 2010. Instead, you need to have Volume Licensing Academic and purchase Windows MultiPoint Server 2010 Academic. The Academic version of this software allows you to join the domain and has no licensing restriction on the number of clients that can be connected to a workstation.
Some other things to think about:
- Even with just the one workstation, you still need to have a license for each seat that will be connected to it like Terminal Services licensing.
- You’ll encounter typical Remote Desktop problems, like everybody has to be out of Firefox in order to install Adobe Flash.
Once it’s up and running, you’ve got a slick setup with a reduced physical and energy footprint.
At our costs, it came out to be about $500 per seat which includes monitor, keyboard, and mouse compared to a standalone desktop like the HP dc8000 which will cost us a little more than $700 and does not include the monitor, keyboard, or mouse.
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Well, looks like Msoft is going to kill my ability to get the server system. The system itself would cost about $2100 for the server plus 6 thin-clients, giving us 7 new computers. But in order to get office on them it would cost and additional $2555. For anyone who has worked with a small business (ours is 15 people), you know that is way out of the price range.
I also discovered that any computer that we have put a new HD in or more RAM apparently is illegal now because the XP licenses are OEM. According to a Msoft video I just watched, if you’re not running the original hardware, you’re illegal. So any computer that I have upgraded for people that came from like Dell and needed more RAM is now illegal…
So I just found another explanation that seems to say it’s only the motherboard that matters. Now I’m not quite as upset with Msoft, though I still can’t understand why Office costs $365 per seat using VLK, whereas I can buy 7 retail licenses for $1820. Isn’t the VLK/OLP supposed to save businesses money?…
Hi! I have recently found new soft for making 8 work station by using 1 PC. Does any body check this out.It is available here http://friendlyseats.com/en Can you recommend another soft like this (cheaper or free:))))
In terms of AD and GPO. It will support it, but you have to make sure you purchase the academic license of the OS. There was some extra cost for us. This allows you to add it to the domain.
Unfortunately, I have a really tight policy and wanted to use some machines as Library Kiosk machines, and I could not lock it down as tight as I am used to with group policies in XP.
In my opinion, the product is a great idea, but needs some polishing before its ready for prime time.
I’ve got a release candidate for Multipoint Server 2010 running on a quad-core Q8200 PC with 8gb of ram. I’ve installed some geo-informantics software as well as Office 2007 Enterprise and the multi-console functionality of these apps is really nice. I’ve installed other apps like Autocad, Coreldraw and Adobe CS3, and I’m running XP in a VMware player for software that only runs in XP. I’ve set the desktop up to look as closely as XP-classic mode as possibe (similar to Win-98).
I have yet to get sound-through-USB working (but that’s not a priority). I think it’s a joke that Microsoft has positioned MPS as a solution for grade-school classrooms. It’s obvious that MPS is perfect for small work-group office clusters, call centers, etc.
I downloaded MPS 2010 from a file-sharing site back in February, and I activated it with a Server 2008-R2 technet license. During installation I told it I had 16 user licenses and it simply took that without giving me a hassle. The Office 2007 Enterprise is also from technet.
I haven’t seen much written anywhere about MPS since the PR that microsoft put out back in February. Microsoft is really keeping this off the radar screen. They don’t want SMB’s to get wind of this and start asking about deploying it in the offic