I ran into a problem in one of our labs recently regarding our good friend QuickTime. Now, I’m no fan of QuickTime and curse the .mov format under my breath every time I have no alternative formats available. Pressed for time, I tried to solve this problem using QuickTime Alternative but my users specifically wanted to use QTVR, which QuickTime Alternative does not support, at least, as far as I am aware of. The problem was quite unique, so I’m not sure how many people are going to encounter it. For the sake of documentation, I’m writing it down. Also, when I was searching for possible clues when I was dealing with this problem, I found nothing online. I went ahead and listed the whole problem-solving process to try and be an example of troubleshooting.
Basically, this boils down to a permissions issue. But permission to what and why?
Symptoms
If I went to a website with an embedded QuickTime object as a standard user (non-administrator), I would get this weird faded QuickTime logo ‘Q’ with a question mark on top of it. This happened with any browser I tried.

If I go to that same site, without changing anything else, as an administrator or in a browser using Run As with an administrator account, I can load the QuickTime element just fine. I downloaded a .mov file and watched it normally as a non-administrator using the latest QuickTime. Of course, I also tried re-installing QT to no avail.
The weird thing was, as a standard user, if I right-clicked on the QuickTime question mark logo, I’d get the menu like it knew it had QuickTime. It was also listed in the Firefox Plug-ins section and about:plugins. If I right-clicked on it and chose about QuickTime, I’d get the following window to pop-up.

Nothing indicated a problem accessing QuickTime itself. I did a little digging around and checked out the QuickTime element in the Control Panel. Under Browser – MIME Types, I found something suspicious. For an administrator, it would list the different MIME types and tell whether they were associated with QT via a checkbox. For the standard user, it gave this weird message about the MIME Types, File Extensions, and ‘Handled By’ as all being ‘[Programatically Set]‘. If I made the standard user an administrator and accessed this window, it would look normal and have the MIME Types shown with checkboxes for associations.
After removing these admin privileges and restarting, the problem would reappear. It bears mentioning that these standard users were using mandatory profiles, so it redownloaded their profile with the restart. This seemed to indicate the problem was in the profile somewhere, but that still left it up to a few places. Apple could have a couple of QuickTime folders in the Application Data folder or the Local Settings folder or pretty much anywhere, and there could be a problem with these accounts accessing it.
Diagnostics
I found a file in the C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Apple Computer, Inc.\QuickTime folder. I verified permissions for that user and everything was fine. The copy I had found was 0 KB while the admin copy was 8 KB. I copied the Admin copy over the user’s but it didn’t solve the issue.
If it wasn’t a folder permission but was still in the profile, this meant it could be the registry, particularly the HKEY Current User hive. I reset everything and fired up RegMon from SysInternals while I opened the QuickTime Control Panel. With some carefully crafted filters, I was able to narrow down a few registry keys being accessed. One, under HKey Local Machine\Classes, pointed to a number of different file types and the second pointed to a HKey Current User value. I investigated this registry key and drilled all the way down to :
HKCU\Software\Apple Computer, Inc.\QuickTime\LocalUserPreferences
The FolderPath value was actually pointing to a location under the lab machine that was originally used to create the mandatory profile. So, none of these standard users would have access to such a folder except that one user. Sure enough, when I tried QuickTime on that machine it worked without changing anything.
The registry value was pointing to the location we investigated earlier but for a different user, C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Apple Computer, Inc.\QuickTime. I corrected this for the machine I was sitting on and sure enough QuickTime started working for the standard user. I deleted the HKCU\Software\Apple Computer, Inc. from the mandatory profile and restarted all the machines so they would update their profile to this fix. After they came back up, they were all able to utilize the QuickTime that was installed on them.
Summary
If QuickTime is giving you a message about its MIME Types being “programatically set” check the HKCU\Software\Apple Computer, Inc.\QuickTime\LocalUserPreferences registry key and check where it’s pointing to. If the account doesn’t have permission to that directory change that or change where this registry key points to. You can delete the key and it will be re-created on first use, but if it already exists it will keep the setting it has, even if it doesn’t have access to that location.
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Nice article. Sweet diagnostics skills
Do you mean the “Default User” when referring to “Mandatory profile” or am I confusing things?
-Jonas, Denmark
Jonas,
The computers are part of an Active Directory OU. They have automatic logins to the network. When those accounts login, they’re told to pull their profile from a particular server location. The profile on the server is the Mandatory profile. It’s much like a roaming profile but doesn’t allow the user to save changes to the profile.
In essence, it behaves very much like how the Default User profile does in Windows.
Cheers!
-Jason
I am dismayed to discover that the CodecGuide website has now (July 2010) removed all traces of QuickTime Alternative and Real Alternative from their website. (The page linked in your post and all others.)
This is the only information I’ve seen about the situation so far, from the QuickTime Alternative Wikipedia page:
“On July 15, 2010, Quicktime Alternative was removed from the official website, and on July 25, 2010 QT Lite followed suit. The reason for this remains unknown as of July 25, 2010, although previous take-downs, as well as the separation of the Quicktime components from the K-Lite Mega Codec Pack, were prompted by legal threats from Apple Inc.”
The programs are still available from archive sites (free-codecs, filehippo), but dang! What’s going on?
Thanks for letting me know. I’ll look into it. If I find anything, I’ll post back here or create a new article out of it. Check back in a little while.
From Codec Guide:
Thanks for that information! At least it’s some resolution. But I do find it odd that they are now taking such a stand against their own software, without making a big deal about it on their website (or even a little deal… it said nothing at all, everything just vanished with no explanation). I’ve never liked the QT or Real media formats, but they’ve hung around this long without dying off, and CodecGuide’s “QT/Real Alternative” software at least makes it possible to use those formats in a less bloated manner when we have no choice. Any content source that still isn’t offering alternative formats to QT/Real after so many years isn’t very likely to change their minds any time soon.
Codecguide might have been the most popular place to find QT/Real Alternative but
Perhaps it’s because of the Alternative software packages that QT and Real have lasted as long as they have. I guess I can’t blame them for trying to encourage the promising applications like VLC to prosper.
Huh, go figure. I wonder whose they are, then, if they’re not CodecGuide’s. Everywhere I’ve seen, they’re credited to CodeGuide as the author/homepage.